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vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 06:15:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Tupni wrote:You realize that SMGs in this game are not a primary weapon and deal inferior damage, right? I know you mentioned that, but do you understand? You MIGHT be able to take someone out from behind with one if they were assault, and probably could a scout, but that honestly sounds pretty stupid with a heavy.
Basically, stop trying to 1v1 a heavy at close range as a scout anyone with a weak gun. I don't know how new you are to first person shooters, but it's just a bad idea to take on the guy with the most health with arguably the weakest gun that requires the closest range.
Anyway besides that, heavies are lightweights in group combat which is ironic and sad. I'm willing to bet just about anything I'm way more experienced to FPS's than you. I always have at least a 2 to 1 ratio and I've been playing them online for about 10 years now. I know the SMG is a sidearm, but it is clearly meant to be a weapon that you can main. Look at how much damage it can dish out and how much it can cost to purchase/equip. No one runs around with a proto SMG with the intent of using it as a back up weapon, as if their real primary weapon is actually stronger. I've got my 2.5 to 1 ratio in this game by running and gunning with the SMG. I've taken out plenty of heavies from behind and I still do, but it's not like it's easy. Heavy armor is not underpowered. The HMG is not underpowered. Just like everything else in this game you need to learn it's strengths and weaknesses and you need to add the skills and equipment to it. The HMG/Heavy armor is not underpowered or overpowered at all, so people need to stop complaining about it until they have leveled up the play style enough. If it really were underpowered, people wouldn't be able to go 34 and 6.
That guy could have gotten some of the kills from gunning in a vehicle. So a primary weapon that fires full sized rounds at a distance less than that of a rifle and does less damage on all levels than a smg. And to top it off it overheats even though it has a limited ammunition and the second worse accuracy of any weapon in the game.
Also a weapon can be proto and still used as a backup (scrambler) |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 06:39:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:i roll a proto heavy, proto smg, and proto forge with 3 complex heavy mods in one fit.....its certainly is not underpowered, since it does what its meant to do effectively but it still has weaknesses, so its also not overpowered. I like the way they are. People using hmg's need to learn how to tailor their play styles to the weapon and use it in a map that is more hmg friendly. Current skirmish map is tailored for vehicles, the one thing hmgs cant do
Hmgs and smgs actually make the best av weapons(smg a lot better) because of their high damage potential coupled with a large target means normally missed rounds going into one target but both have a low effect on dropships due to range.
I chewed through about half of a sagaris' shield using advanced hmg and smg |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 06:49:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:i roll a proto heavy, proto smg, and proto forge with 3 complex heavy mods in one fit.....its certainly is not underpowered, since it does what its meant to do effectively but it still has weaknesses, so its also not overpowered. I like the way they are. People using hmg's need to learn how to tailor their play styles to the weapon and use it in a map that is more hmg friendly. Current skirmish map is tailored for vehicles, the one thing hmgs cant do Hmgs and smgs actually make the best av weapons(smg a lot better) because of their high damage potential coupled with a large target means normally missed rounds going into one target but both have a low effect on dropships due to range. I chewed through about half of a sagaris' shield using advanced hmg and smg i hope you try and smg my tank to death as well. please, i beg of you. gotta say, there was probably someone who was also doing damage to the sagaris or he had some kind of **** fitting, or he was a **** tank.......either way, there were definitely some form of shenanigans happening there. also, shields have petty resistances compared to armor i believe....
Hell no i would never attack a friends tank (especially after dishing out heavy damage with it) and isn't the sagaris suppose to be a shield tank? |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 06:59:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:Hell no i would never attack a friends tank (especially after dishing out heavy damage with it) and isn't the sagaris suppose to be a shield tank? lol i do always appreciate a competent gunner and teammate. I can drive a lot better and pull off more complex maneuvers when i know my gunner can understand what im trying to do. A lot of the time, ill let the gunners have the kill instead of going after everything with my main gun....then i dont have to expose my tank to enemy fire. Yes, the sagaris has much more shield than armor.
Even though i like gunning for you, i would rather use a railgun than missiles but the only advantage railguns have is accuracy. Other than that it's inferior to the other turrets |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 07:09:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:Hell no i would never attack a friends tank (especially after dishing out heavy damage with it) and isn't the sagaris suppose to be a shield tank? lol i do always appreciate a competent gunner and teammate. I can drive a lot better and pull off more complex maneuvers when i know my gunner can understand what im trying to do. A lot of the time, ill let the gunners have the kill instead of going after everything with my main gun....then i dont have to expose my tank to enemy fire. Yes, the sagaris has much more shield than armor. Even though i like gunning for you, i would rather use a railgun than missiles but the only advantage railguns have is accuracy. Other than that it's inferior to the other turrets WELL ****!!! noted bud, next time ill pull out the relevant fit. I even already have one made. Problem is most scrubs just jump out when they see a small railgun instead of a missile turret. All you had to do is ask. edit: you prefer a front or top railgun?
Front for a bit more av/ installation capability and the top seems like more of an anti infantry spot because of it's wider coverage. Also i find it to be bs that the top turrets don't have 360 coverage like lavs. |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 07:29:00 -
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I won't waste your time. I'm a pretty good shot with the railgun on my lqv and its a militia railgun |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.05 07:39:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:I won't waste your time. I'm a pretty good shot with the railgun on my lqv and its a militia railgun ill give ya a round and see how it works, but i might force a missile turret on you...in a marauder the missiles just do so much more damage, and even if you can get a hit with a railgun, it prob wont be a OHK when you can usually get a OHK with just the splash on a missile... also, being able to utilize splash is nice when you have the option.
Actually keep it how it is, i just try to be good with all turrets just in case they buff the railgun and until i can pay you back i won't do something that could waste your isk |
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